Comments on: Shymalan Stole My Starship http://www.lykaon.com/2008/08/19/shymalan-stole-my-starship/ We All Go a Little Mad Sometimes... Fri, 09 Dec 2011 03:35:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: halfling http://www.lykaon.com/2008/08/19/shymalan-stole-my-starship/comment-page-1/#comment-5245 halfling Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:55:52 +0000 http://blog.lykaon.com/?p=418#comment-5245 people haven't changed much since they started. the greeks knew people from different social groups had trouble when they fell in love long before romeo spied juliet or maria caught the eye of the rival new york gang. i don't think there are more than a dozen great stories-just new settings and personalities driven by the same old needs and desires. some are tragic, some are comedic some dramatic. laura, presumed dead, captured the heart of the investigating detective long before laforge fell in love with a presumed dead presumed murderer. new twists are the fun. shymalan, hitchcock give us new corners to peek around. lerner an lowe give us music to imprint the stories. the winds of present social mores flavor the resolution (or lack of it). the story lets us know we are not alone and even if we are lowly gardners we may someday help save middle earth. people haven’t changed much since they started. the greeks knew people from different social groups had trouble when they fell in love long before romeo spied juliet or maria caught the eye of the rival new york gang. i don’t think there are more than a dozen great stories-just new settings and personalities driven by the same old needs and desires. some are tragic, some are comedic some dramatic. laura, presumed dead, captured the heart of the investigating detective long before laforge fell in love with a presumed dead presumed murderer. new twists are the fun. shymalan, hitchcock give us new corners to peek around. lerner an lowe give us music to imprint the stories. the winds of present social mores flavor the resolution (or lack of it). the story lets us know we are not alone and even if we are lowly gardners we may someday help save middle earth.

]]> By: Dave http://www.lykaon.com/2008/08/19/shymalan-stole-my-starship/comment-page-1/#comment-5242 Dave Thu, 21 Aug 2008 01:12:57 +0000 http://blog.lykaon.com/?p=418#comment-5242 oh, idunno, there's lots of Christian literature devoted to the idea of regaining Eden's innocence. I'm sticking with my origin, even if its been turned inside out - that's the job of a writer, right? To put new perspective on old stories? oh, idunno, there’s lots of Christian literature devoted to the idea of regaining Eden’s innocence.

I’m sticking with my origin, even if its been turned inside out – that’s the job of a writer, right? To put new perspective on old stories?

]]> By: Lykaon http://www.lykaon.com/2008/08/19/shymalan-stole-my-starship/comment-page-1/#comment-5239 Lykaon Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:59:17 +0000 http://blog.lykaon.com/?p=418#comment-5239 The point of the story isn't that Siko and O'Brien are helping these people to see the light. I think the point is more that there is this counter-idea that less technology is better and that it's okay to force that idea on someone without their knowledge if it's for the greater good. I suppose you could argue that the Gods were attempting to hold people in that fashion, with only Prometheus to show them that they were being fooled. But it seems the theme of the Prometheus story is subtely different in that it focuses more on the salvation of the people out of the darkness. Although I didn't mention it in the blog post, the end result of the DS9 episode was that Sisko and O'Brien offered to take those people back to the station and they all refused. They liked what they had even if they had been fooled into obtaining it. That certainly can't be said for humans in either origin story. The point of the story isn’t that Siko and O’Brien are helping these people to see the light. I think the point is more that there is this counter-idea that less technology is better and that it’s okay to force that idea on someone without their knowledge if it’s for the greater good.

I suppose you could argue that the Gods were attempting to hold people in that fashion, with only Prometheus to show them that they were being fooled. But it seems the theme of the Prometheus story is subtely different in that it focuses more on the salvation of the people out of the darkness.

Although I didn’t mention it in the blog post, the end result of the DS9 episode was that Sisko and O’Brien offered to take those people back to the station and they all refused. They liked what they had even if they had been fooled into obtaining it.

That certainly can’t be said for humans in either origin story.

]]> By: Dave http://www.lykaon.com/2008/08/19/shymalan-stole-my-starship/comment-page-1/#comment-5238 Dave Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:38:25 +0000 http://blog.lykaon.com/?p=418#comment-5238 Well, in the story found in Genesis, we call that hoodwinker 'The Lord', who commands the populace (A&E) to live a paradasiacal, "perfect" life, telling them its better not to know good from evil. Depending on your views of Biblical textual analysis, an earlier account would be that of Prometheus, who stole fire for mankind against the wishes of Zeus. Your "Paradise" episode sounds pretty-much like a standard promethean story, with Sisko and O'Brien playing the role of firebringer. Is that older than you thought? Well, in the story found in Genesis, we call that hoodwinker ‘The Lord’, who commands the populace (A&E) to live a paradasiacal, “perfect” life, telling them its better not to know good from evil. Depending on your views of Biblical textual analysis, an earlier account would be that of Prometheus, who stole fire for mankind against the wishes of Zeus.

Your “Paradise” episode sounds pretty-much like a standard promethean story, with Sisko and O’Brien playing the role of firebringer. Is that older than you thought?

]]> By: Hemisphire http://www.lykaon.com/2008/08/19/shymalan-stole-my-starship/comment-page-1/#comment-5237 Hemisphire Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:52:04 +0000 http://blog.lykaon.com/?p=418#comment-5237 I think Sir Thomas More got there <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia" rel="nofollow">first</a> - the no technology angle is just a recent addition. I think Sir Thomas More got there first – the no technology angle is just a recent addition.

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